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Posted by Ark_Razor on August 22, 2017 at 9:35 PM

I'm not a fan of either team by a long shot, but I think the Cavs just pantsed the Celts on this deal.

Irving

for

Thomas

Crowder

2018 1RDP fm Brooklyn, top 10 protected. If it is protected, then it becomes UNPROTECTED in 2019.

Irving is 3 yrs younger and has an extra year on his contract. Both are similar players. But Thomas has never been a troublemaker. They got a haul after he said he wanted out.


Irving wanted out b/c he wants to be "the man". I wonder how that will over in BOS. While I loathe Ainge on just about every level, he has shown himself to be a very astute GM...... until trading the top overall pick in the draft, his inability to land Butler or George, and now this.

Irving is a Kobe Bryant type ball-hog w/o the defensive talent.

Well done, Cavs, well done.

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14 Comments

Reply Ferociousjane
11:38 PM on August 22, 2017 
The best part of the trade is the Nets 2018 pick because the Cavs are gonna be in the midst of a serious rebuild in the not too distant future.

KInda wanted to see Irving in San Antonio to be honest.
Reply Ark_Razor
3:38 AM on August 23, 2017 
Ferociousjane says...
The best part of the trade is the Nets 2018 pick because the Cavs are gonna be in the midst of a serious rebuild in the not too distant future.

KInda wanted to see Irving in San Antonio to be honest.


I'm hearing reports that the DP is unprotected for this year. BKL is going to suck again. I didn't realize you hated the Spurs so much.

Irving would have been an awful fit there. It's Pops' way or the highway.
Reply Ferociousjane
11:04 AM on August 23, 2017 
I dont hate the Spurs at all, Ark.
i always cheer for them because they are a classy team and organization.

Kyrie played well in Cleveland. Most basketball players are selfish idiots these days so I guess I don't hold it against him as much that he wanted out. I 'd just like to see the Spurs load up to beat Golden State . Someone will need to slay that monster.
Reply Radatz
3:06 PM on August 23, 2017 
Interesting take. Around here, some think Ainge jobbed the Cavs. Most think it was the usual risky star trade, but are happy with it anyway. The draft was unlikely to get a proven star, and Thomas is a rental coming off a near-crippling injury. His size and style make him a bigger risk than normal. I'd have liked to see him stay but you can't slam dunk every deal like they did with Garnett twice.

Crowder is a good sub. I'm a little surprised they had to give up Thomas plus that pick, but they clearly had no plans to max out Thomas even if he survives the season. It's all chemistry anyway, and we'll see how good Stevens is now. At least with Haywood they have two shooters now and not just one, 3 if you consider Horford a 'shooter'.

Thomas can't carry a team for long without burning out, but he's a perfect Microwave type for a built team.

Cleveland will probably still win the east if asshat James is there, especially if the pick brings a strong big man. Boston is still a player away it seems.
Reply Ark_Razor
4:04 PM on August 23, 2017 
Radatz says...
Interesting take. Around here, some think Ainge jobbed the Cavs. Most think it was the usual risky star trade, but are happy with it anyway. The draft was unlikely to get a proven star, and Thomas is a rental coming off a near-crippling injury. His size and style make him a bigger risk than normal. I'd have liked to see him stay but you can't slam dunk every deal like they did with Garnett twice.

Crowder is a good sub. I'm a little surprised they had to give up Thomas plus that pick, but they clearly had no plans to max out Thomas even if he survives the season. It's all chemistry anyway, and we'll see how good Stevens is now. At least with Haywood they have two shooters now and not just one, 3 if you consider Horford a 'shooter'.

Thomas can't carry a team for long without burning out, but he's a perfect Microwave type for a built team.

Cleveland will probably still win the east if asshat James is there, especially if the pick brings a strong big man. Boston is still a player away it seems.


He won't have to carry a team. Atlas is already resident in CLE. He just needs to dish it off. It will be interesting to see if Thomas gets a max deal anywhere.

For me, the bigger risk is on the Celts b/c he wants it to be the Kyrie Irving show. That goes against what the Celts have always done. Even when Garnett came he never allowed himself to interviewed or photogged unless Allen and Pierce were there also.

2018 is supposed to be a pretty deep draft. Deeper than 2017.
Reply Ark_Razor
4:27 PM on August 23, 2017 
Ferociousjane says...
I dont hate the Spurs at all, Ark.
i always cheer for them because they are a classy team and organization.

Kyrie played well in Cleveland. Most basketball players are selfish idiots these days so I guess I don't hold it against him as much that he wanted out. I 'd just like to see the Spurs load up to beat Golden State . Someone will need to slay that monster.


I made the comment somewhat tongue and cheek, trying to see where you stood on this, the Spurs.

If there is one club in the league that won't stand for a "I'm a prima donna" attitude, it's the Spurs. I think they were rightly concerned about him destroying clubhouse (and community) chemistry.

The Spurs are the ONLY game in town in the 7th largest city in the U.S.- college or pro. Irving would poison the club. Of course he would want to go to SAS- a contender, no state income tax etc. The Spurs would have to give up a lot to get the guy.

I wish the Cavs would have shipped him to SAC or PHX; but they didn't have the assets to send back.

As Alice Cooper sang, "You're poison...... KY........... Ree........ poison running through my veins!"
Reply Ark_Razor
6:37 PM on August 23, 2017 
BTW, the 1RDP is UNPROTECTED THIS YEAR.
Reply Radatz
10:52 PM on August 23, 2017 
Ark_Razor says...
2018 is supposed to be a pretty deep draft. Deeper than 2017.

Boston has another pick that may end up top 5. That may have ameliorated the risk to Ainge.
Reply Ark_Razor
11:30 PM on August 23, 2017 
Radatz says...
Boston has another pick that may end up top 5. That may have ameliorated the risk to Ainge.


I just read about these trades to get that potential pick and even my head is spinning. Bottom line: If the Lakers finish 2-5 in the lottery next year, BOS gets that pick. If they don't, then they get the higher of SAC's 1RDP or 76er's 1RDP, unless that pick is #1. Then they get the lower of the two.

2019 could be loaded with two generational talents. Marcus Bagley and Zion Williamson.
Reply vapor5
5:38 AM on August 24, 2017 
rad - agree, and Celts weren't going to overpay to keep IT .
agree with FJ on the 2018 pick.
ark-Suspect there's a lot more to the Kyrie/LBJ bro split and amhesitant to call Kyrie a troublemaker.
Reply Ark_Razor
5:46 AM on August 24, 2017 
vapor5 says...
rad - agree, and Celts weren't going to overpay to keep IT .
agree with FJ on the 2018 pick.
ark-Suspect there's a lot more to the Kyrie/LBJ bro split and amhesitant to call Kyrie a troublemaker.


Well, first of all, let's remember that a Duke student really believes the world is flat.

He's going to get a max deal wherever he would have been. He's playing with the best player on the planet (yea, KD and SC, I said that).

If he's not careful, Stephon Marbury awaits him. He wanted to be Batman in MIN, but alas, Garnet already had that role and he had to be content with Robin.
Reply Ark_Razor
5:48 AM on August 24, 2017 
Rad- FTR, I take back my comment about Ainge getting drilled on trading away the #1 overall pick. He got the #3 pick in that draft PLUS the pick which was shipped to CLE for Kyrie.

I also understand why he made the trade, but he had CLE over a barrel. CBS Sports gave CLE an A+ on the trade and BOS a B. I think that's about right. I saw those grades after I posted.
Reply Radatz
6:44 PM on August 24, 2017 
Well, an A+ considering they lost a guy who didn't want to play there. IMO they got a better team guy maybe in return, but if that hip goes bad it's all going to be on the pick... and those have a way of going bad.

Clearly Boston was stuck in a below-title-contention rut and Cleveland was facing major prima donna issues, plus aging. Probably good for both. Ainge will have overpaid if both Thomas and the pick turn out good, else probably not. One thing is sure... he blew up his rebuild when it took too long and leveled off.
Reply Ark_Razor
3:17 AM on August 25, 2017 
This trade will probably be ultimately weighed on how championships one party or the other gets- at least if LBJ stays in CLE after this year. Lots or rumblings he may come to where he lives in LA either with the Clips or the Lakers.