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Posted by Ark_Razor on August 28, 2017 at 1:55 AM

OK. One week after I give the Cavs huge props for getting a haul on the Irving trade, now they want to back out of the deal b/c they felt the Celts weren't up front about Thomas' injury.

Uh, memo to the Cavs, people knew he likely wasn't going to start the season and knew this was the last year of his deal. At a minimum, you shouldn't have announced anything until you had done your due diligence. Sounds like you're just have a case of buyer's remorse. Here's hoping you get nothing or that the deal doesn't go through at all and both franchises are now left picking up the pieces.

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Reply Ferociousjane
4:37 PM on August 28, 2017 
I'm hearing from Cleveland writers that the Cavs have not confirmed that the trade is off. ESPN is spreading stories without comment from the Cavaliers. Not like them or the media to write their own narrative, is it?

Both teams are kinda stuck here.My guess is that it goes through
Reply Ark_Razor
6:11 PM on August 28, 2017 
A few things.

This story has percolating now for 3 days. The fact that the Cavs have not issued an unequivocal denial- which would have easy to do- speaks volumes.

At a minimum, the Cavs could have just said, "as we all know, these trades are contingent on passing a physical and we are evaluating those results. We anticipate and hope that Mr. Thomas will be joining our team.

None of that came. Instead.... clam up.

What I'm trying to figure out is how this trade originally went down when even I knew the extent of Thomas' injury. Everybody knew he likely would not be able to start the season.

This is too high proflle now to quietly go away. Even w/o the media writing their own narrative, it's the biggest trade of the off-season.

If CLE wants additional compensation, Mr. Silver is going to eventually get involved b/c I can't see the Celts agreeing to anything extra on their own.

I don't see this trade getting undone.

I also don't see the Celts giving up additional assets.

Instead, I anticipate Silver awarding the Cavs a supplemental draft pick at the end of the first or at the end of the next two drafts in the 2nd round.

If the Cavs fold on the deal, they've got the bigger problem than the Celts IMHO. Thomas isn't happy, but he's got one year left anyway. The Celts can explain to him that "it's just business'. Kyrie is a different story b/c he thinks the world is flat and he wants out, although that has never been officially confirmed either?
Reply Radatz
1:26 AM on August 29, 2017 
I'm guessing that a review of both players' careers would indicate way more time missed due to injury for Irving than for Thomas.

But if the trade fizzles what is Cleveland going to get for Irving the second time around? Thomas will be motivated by a contract year at least.
Reply Ark_Razor
2:52 AM on August 29, 2017 
In terms of games missed, you are right, Rad. Both have six seasons under their belt. Thomas played in 441 of 492 regular season games. Irving 381 of 492. Of course the issue is with 1 yr left on Thomas' deal and him missing the start of the season, how much are they really going to get from the center piece of the trade from their end?

I also agree that the weight is on CLE for this trade. Do they really think they are going to get a better deal than what they already have?

Dan Gilbert is not the only owner. My feeling is that is brother, Gund, or Usher voiced objections to the trade after it was done and DG is now getting blowback. This is just a pure extortion move by the Cavs now.

I'd rather believe that than the idea of the ownership being idiots and not doing their due diligence on this.
Reply vapor5
1:40 PM on August 29, 2017 
fj- yep , this deal ain't being rescinded.
Also, I doubt that the Cavs were not given IT's complete medical file.
Reply Radatz
1:03 AM on August 30, 2017 
As of late Tuesday afternoon, local radio reported that the Celtics have never been contacted by the Cavs regarding this issue. I think Jane's opening statement was rather good.
Reply Ark_Razor
2:14 AM on August 30, 2017 
Radatz says...
As of late Tuesday afternoon, local radio reported that the Celtics have never been contacted by the Cavs regarding this issue. I think Jane's opening statement was rather good.


For the sake of the franchises, even though I don't like either of them, I hope the deal goes down as structured. I definitely think that there was some ruminating on this though on the CLE end. Otherwise, they would have nipped this in the bud.

Wednesday night is the drop dead date. Celts are not going to extend this. As a practical matter, CLE just needs Thomas to be healthy for the post-season.

Unlike the other media sources, I think the sitch with Thomas could be rehabbed along your lines, Rad. IT, you are playing for a contract somewhere and we hope you earn it.
Reply JDIN827
9:51 PM on August 30, 2017 
Last I heard it wasn't nice to call someone an idiot.

I live here, and what WE see is the fact that the Boston doctors eval was quite different than the Cleveland Clinic's.

EVERY team has a right to say no to a deal after more "due diligence" - and that was going to the Cleveland Clinic.to evaluate the injury and its impact.

Heres hoping you get nothing...Oh, so nice. Very nice. the way you write
Reply Radatz
10:13 PM on August 30, 2017 
Last I heard on radio, JD, was that the Cavs were leaking that they don't want anything more after all, which exposes this as an attempt to play a loophole in the rules and solicit competitive offers after the fact (one was rumored and was shot down). Ainge knew and didn't blink. This from the team that somehow won how many draft lotteries?
Reply Radatz
2:14 AM on August 31, 2017 
And it's over. Boston added a 2020 2nd round pick owned by the Heat. Why they added anything is beyond me, but it sounds like face-saving for Cleveland. A 2nd-rounder in the NBA isn't what it is in the NFL.
Reply Ark_Razor
3:01 AM on August 31, 2017 
I appreciate the compliment on my writing JD, as you were moved to respond. Funny that you did not give me props a week earlier when I said the Cavs made a great deal on Irving. Just shows me you want to have a grudge, but everybody on the site already knows that. Thank you for playing, have a nice day, and be sure to come again!
Reply Ark_Razor
3:05 AM on August 31, 2017 
Radatz says...
And it's over. Boston added a 2020 2nd round pick owned by the Heat. Why they added anything is beyond me, but it sounds like face-saving for Cleveland. A 2nd-rounder in the NBA isn't what it is in the NFL.


As this went on, I was thinking there would be a 2RDP perhaps. Pure extortion play by the Cavs, but on that front, if it was pure extortion, then they were geniuses.

Somehow though, I think buyer's remorse entered into this action b/c you just don't see this very often- at least when the commish is not involved in voiding a trade.

fj, in this case, Wojo saw the fire beyond the smoke.

Opening night in CLE is going to be pretty exciting with the Celts in town indeed.